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	<title>Comments on: Deja Vu: Here We Go Again Bargaining With Terrorists</title>
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		<title>By: saus</title>
		<link>http://hashmonean.com/2009/11/25/deja-vu-here-we-go-again-bargaining-with-terrorists/#comment-102520</link>
		<dc:creator>saus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Nov 2009 19:23:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for clarifying Jason, I would tend to agree with you on many points regarding the freeze. If public buildings like kindergartens &amp; clinics had not been approved I would hold very different views however, and Jerusalem is a non-starter obviously.

Sadly, we need to jump through hoops to prove who is REALLY responsible for lack of talks, lack of Peace and still it will never be enough!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for clarifying Jason, I would tend to agree with you on many points regarding the freeze. If public buildings like kindergartens &amp; clinics had not been approved I would hold very different views however, and Jerusalem is a non-starter obviously.</p>
<p>Sadly, we need to jump through hoops to prove who is REALLY responsible for lack of talks, lack of Peace and still it will never be enough!</p>
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		<title>By: jason</title>
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		<dc:creator>jason</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Nov 2009 21:16:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think Bibi did the best he could.  Remember this is only a 10 month freeze and Bibi is allowing 3,000 settlement units to proceed.  In reality there will be more construction now than last year.

The freeze was already in effect Bibi was against new tenders anyway and is now calling Abbas&#039;s bluff.

Now if Abbas doesn&#039;t come to the table the freeze ends without any lapse in construction since 3,000 are already under construction.

Bibi withstood a lot of american pressure to have those 3,000 units to keep going.

There is also a bigger picture here like sanctions on iran that are bigger than any issue and Bibi is not working with a friendly white house.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think Bibi did the best he could.  Remember this is only a 10 month freeze and Bibi is allowing 3,000 settlement units to proceed.  In reality there will be more construction now than last year.</p>
<p>The freeze was already in effect Bibi was against new tenders anyway and is now calling Abbas&#8217;s bluff.</p>
<p>Now if Abbas doesn&#8217;t come to the table the freeze ends without any lapse in construction since 3,000 are already under construction.</p>
<p>Bibi withstood a lot of american pressure to have those 3,000 units to keep going.</p>
<p>There is also a bigger picture here like sanctions on iran that are bigger than any issue and Bibi is not working with a friendly white house.</p>
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		<title>By: jason</title>
		<link>http://hashmonean.com/2009/11/25/deja-vu-here-we-go-again-bargaining-with-terrorists/#comment-102514</link>
		<dc:creator>jason</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Nov 2009 21:12:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sorry about the disgrace I am an American and was so tired during the election how the right was fighting over McCain instead of Obama.

Now the right in America is obsessed with purity instead of focusing on Obama.

The differences between the right are small but somehow all the focus is on that instead of the huge differences between the right and left.

I wasn&#039;t really referring to you in the disgrace I was referring to my american friends and also how I have UK friends who want the tories now to lose because Cameron&#039;s U turn on the EU vote.

Didn&#039;t mean anything by it an just saw your blog and keep up the good work.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry about the disgrace I am an American and was so tired during the election how the right was fighting over McCain instead of Obama.</p>
<p>Now the right in America is obsessed with purity instead of focusing on Obama.</p>
<p>The differences between the right are small but somehow all the focus is on that instead of the huge differences between the right and left.</p>
<p>I wasn&#8217;t really referring to you in the disgrace I was referring to my american friends and also how I have UK friends who want the tories now to lose because Cameron&#8217;s U turn on the EU vote.</p>
<p>Didn&#8217;t mean anything by it an just saw your blog and keep up the good work.</p>
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		<title>By: saus</title>
		<link>http://hashmonean.com/2009/11/25/deja-vu-here-we-go-again-bargaining-with-terrorists/#comment-102513</link>
		<dc:creator>saus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Nov 2009 18:36:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;b&gt;@ jason&lt;/b&gt;:
Hi Jason, while I appreciate you taking the time to reply at length don&#039;t you think you&#039;re a little over the top? Calling me a &#039;disgrace&#039; because I am exercising my democratic rights is frankly absurd.

I am A): Not a purist, if I were there are bigger issues to discuss ie, the settlement freeze. One doesn&#039;t have to be a purist to take SERIOUS exception to breaking the golden rule regarding negotiating with terrorist groups.

B) You have lept to massive conclusions, Kadima is not the only other party out there, there are in fact many like Israel Beitenu for example. Livni couldn&#039;t form a coalition if her life depended on it.

C) Sky news is wrong, and terrorists with blood on their hands are indeed at stake here. My posts stands as my opinion on these issues. Ehud Barak has already come out with his own excuse which is that this is the last such deal, and new rules don&#039;t apply here because the new rules were formed after Gilad was abducted... Those rules will be 1 for 1.

In other words I&#039;m 100% right but my leaders are making a bad exception. I welcome your opinion &amp; it is also welcomed as valid, but you need to be careful before leaping please.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><b>@ jason</b>:<br />
Hi Jason, while I appreciate you taking the time to reply at length don&#8217;t you think you&#8217;re a little over the top? Calling me a &#8216;disgrace&#8217; because I am exercising my democratic rights is frankly absurd.</p>
<p>I am A): Not a purist, if I were there are bigger issues to discuss ie, the settlement freeze. One doesn&#8217;t have to be a purist to take SERIOUS exception to breaking the golden rule regarding negotiating with terrorist groups.</p>
<p>B) You have lept to massive conclusions, Kadima is not the only other party out there, there are in fact many like Israel Beitenu for example. Livni couldn&#8217;t form a coalition if her life depended on it.</p>
<p>C) Sky news is wrong, and terrorists with blood on their hands are indeed at stake here. My posts stands as my opinion on these issues. Ehud Barak has already come out with his own excuse which is that this is the last such deal, and new rules don&#8217;t apply here because the new rules were formed after Gilad was abducted&#8230; Those rules will be 1 for 1.</p>
<p>In other words I&#8217;m 100% right but my leaders are making a bad exception. I welcome your opinion &amp; it is also welcomed as valid, but you need to be careful before leaping please.</p>
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		<title>By: ilona@israel</title>
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		<dc:creator>ilona@israel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Nov 2009 13:05:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>While Israel’s pathological political culture has been shaped by many powerful internal forces there has also been for many decades an external enabler.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>While Israel’s pathological political culture has been shaped by many powerful internal forces there has also been for many decades an external enabler.</p>
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		<title>By: jason</title>
		<link>http://hashmonean.com/2009/11/25/deja-vu-here-we-go-again-bargaining-with-terrorists/#comment-102509</link>
		<dc:creator>jason</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Nov 2009 00:15:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What is it with the purity on the right across the world.

Millions of conservatives stayed home because they didn&#039;t like McCain even though on every bad decision Obama has made so far McCain&#039;s position would have gone the other way.  Limbaugh and Beck and so many so called conservatives spent countless hours complaining about McCain when their differences were minimal and the differences with Obama and McCain were huge.   Obama has a single digit lifetime ACU rating and McCain&#039;s was 82.  So if you can&#039;t get 100 percent the Right would rather have zero percent.

Same thing is also happening in the UK.  Gordon Brown set up david cameron by having ireland move up their vote so cameron would be stuck in the position of not having a referendum because the treaty was now law.

Never mind that Gordon Brown and Labour pledged to hold a referendum and went back on it.  

Now Labour is surging in the polls and tories are plummeting because purists on the right are staying home and now won&#039;t vote for Cameron.


Same thing happened to Israel in 1999.  The purists stayed home and Bibi was kicked out which lead to the disastrous decisions in lebanon which lead to iran buildup in lebanon. Bibi&#039;s defeat also lead to the rise of sharon and kadima.  Bibi&#039;s defeat also lead to livni, olmert, and sharon leaving the gaza border wide open to iran to bring in long range rockets to hamas and for hamas to build up bunkers with heavy weapons.  Hamas rockets can now target tel aviv and dimona.

These are real life consequences and yet the purists on the right will abandon leaders like bibi if they aren&#039;t 100 percent right and will give us a leader like Livni who wants to give away israel&#039;s   security to the UN. 

Purists on the right have lead to the rise of Obama, Gordon Brown, and Bibi&#039;s defeat in 1999.

The right taking down Bibi in 1999 lead to Iran building a base in southern lebanon and gaza.  The right purists in israel have done ireperable harm to israel.

The purists on the right have lead to irreparable harm in the u.s, the uk and israel.  In 2005 the purists on the right split their vote allowing brown in and not giving the uk the referendum and now the same purists blame cameron.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What is it with the purity on the right across the world.</p>
<p>Millions of conservatives stayed home because they didn&#8217;t like McCain even though on every bad decision Obama has made so far McCain&#8217;s position would have gone the other way.  Limbaugh and Beck and so many so called conservatives spent countless hours complaining about McCain when their differences were minimal and the differences with Obama and McCain were huge.   Obama has a single digit lifetime ACU rating and McCain&#8217;s was 82.  So if you can&#8217;t get 100 percent the Right would rather have zero percent.</p>
<p>Same thing is also happening in the UK.  Gordon Brown set up david cameron by having ireland move up their vote so cameron would be stuck in the position of not having a referendum because the treaty was now law.</p>
<p>Never mind that Gordon Brown and Labour pledged to hold a referendum and went back on it.  </p>
<p>Now Labour is surging in the polls and tories are plummeting because purists on the right are staying home and now won&#8217;t vote for Cameron.</p>
<p>Same thing happened to Israel in 1999.  The purists stayed home and Bibi was kicked out which lead to the disastrous decisions in lebanon which lead to iran buildup in lebanon. Bibi&#8217;s defeat also lead to the rise of sharon and kadima.  Bibi&#8217;s defeat also lead to livni, olmert, and sharon leaving the gaza border wide open to iran to bring in long range rockets to hamas and for hamas to build up bunkers with heavy weapons.  Hamas rockets can now target tel aviv and dimona.</p>
<p>These are real life consequences and yet the purists on the right will abandon leaders like bibi if they aren&#8217;t 100 percent right and will give us a leader like Livni who wants to give away israel&#8217;s   security to the UN. </p>
<p>Purists on the right have lead to the rise of Obama, Gordon Brown, and Bibi&#8217;s defeat in 1999.</p>
<p>The right taking down Bibi in 1999 lead to Iran building a base in southern lebanon and gaza.  The right purists in israel have done ireperable harm to israel.</p>
<p>The purists on the right have lead to irreparable harm in the u.s, the uk and israel.  In 2005 the purists on the right split their vote allowing brown in and not giving the uk the referendum and now the same purists blame cameron.</p>
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