Comments on: Diplomatic Pressure: Israel going it alone http://hashmonean.com/2006/08/09/diplomatic-pressure-israel-going-it-alone/ In Zion We Trust Thu, 03 May 2012 07:21:00 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.2.1 By: Hashmonean.com | Israel vs The Global Jihad » Weak UN Resolution 1701 Passes 15 to 0 http://hashmonean.com/2006/08/09/diplomatic-pressure-israel-going-it-alone/#comment-1377 Hashmonean.com | Israel vs The Global Jihad » Weak UN Resolution 1701 Passes 15 to 0 Sat, 12 Aug 2006 00:18:01 +0000 http://hashmonean.com/2006/08/09/diplomatic-pressure-israel-going-it-alone/#comment-1377 [...] Cease fire resolution passes in the UN - Israel sold down the river by the USA, much in part to weeks of Israeli govt weakness. [...] [...] Cease fire resolution passes in the UN – Israel sold down the river by the USA, much in part to weeks of Israeli govt weakness. [...]

]]> By: Gus http://hashmonean.com/2006/08/09/diplomatic-pressure-israel-going-it-alone/#comment-1360 Gus Thu, 10 Aug 2006 23:15:12 +0000 http://hashmonean.com/2006/08/09/diplomatic-pressure-israel-going-it-alone/#comment-1360 As an American, I say screw world opinion and get on with defeating Hezbollah!  I am afraid our Administration is losing its fortitude in the War Against Islamofacism and I would not expect them to run cover at the UN for much longer.  However, Olmert's government is the real problem here.  They have mishandled this war and taken far too long to secure the northern border.  At this point, you need to be like Sharon in 1973.  Just go for the jugular and damn the world's opinion.  As an American, I say screw world opinion and get on with defeating Hezbollah!  I am afraid our Administration is losing its fortitude in the War Against Islamofacism and I would not expect them to run cover at the UN for much longer.  However, Olmert's government is the real problem here.  They have mishandled this war and taken far too long to secure the northern border.  At this point, you need to be like Sharon in 1973.  Just go for the jugular and damn the world's opinion. 

]]> By: saus http://hashmonean.com/2006/08/09/diplomatic-pressure-israel-going-it-alone/#comment-1353 saus Thu, 10 Aug 2006 16:41:35 +0000 http://hashmonean.com/2006/08/09/diplomatic-pressure-israel-going-it-alone/#comment-1353 if there's a delay it is solely because of US pressure on the diplomacy front - the Army was rolling and ready from before the cabinet decision. It's not casualties that are the stop gap (though all are aware of the painful price this would & already has taken). It's flat out a usa request to not go, that's not an order, but such a request cannot be turned down without a pause of at least a few days, if at all.. if there's a delay it is solely because of US pressure on the diplomacy front – the Army was rolling and ready from before the cabinet decision. It's not casualties that are the stop gap (though all are aware of the painful price this would & already has taken). It's flat out a usa request to not go, that's not an order, but such a request cannot be turned down without a pause of at least a few days, if at all..

]]> By: goesh http://hashmonean.com/2006/08/09/diplomatic-pressure-israel-going-it-alone/#comment-1351 goesh Thu, 10 Aug 2006 14:15:54 +0000 http://hashmonean.com/2006/08/09/diplomatic-pressure-israel-going-it-alone/#comment-1351 We must remember that just very recently, while muslim youth rampaged and burned several thousand cars and terrorized French citizens, said citizens stood by like passive, mute, dumb drooling cattle crying for the police, totally incapable of even resisting the boot of islamic facism descending upon their necks. Expend then no more emotional energy on the French and foolish notions that they are an ally in the war on terrorism. Regretfully, these same muslim youth can destablize France in short order by using homicide vests, AKs and RPGS instead of molotov cocktails and burned cars. We must remember that just very recently, while muslim youth rampaged and burned several thousand cars and terrorized French citizens, said citizens stood by like passive, mute, dumb drooling cattle crying for the police, totally incapable of even resisting the boot of islamic facism descending upon their necks. Expend then no more emotional energy on the French and foolish notions that they are an ally in the war on terrorism. Regretfully, these same muslim youth can destablize France in short order by using homicide vests, AKs and RPGS instead of molotov cocktails and burned cars.

]]> By: Brian http://hashmonean.com/2006/08/09/diplomatic-pressure-israel-going-it-alone/#comment-1347 Brian Thu, 10 Aug 2006 13:45:12 +0000 http://hashmonean.com/2006/08/09/diplomatic-pressure-israel-going-it-alone/#comment-1347 I agree, the Bush administration should give Israel all the cover it needs - regardless of world opinion (world opinion does not matter).  However, Israel must seize the opportunity and it has not.  As I said before,  the fact that Olmert has dithered and delayed tells me that he is looking for a face-saving way to end the fight.  It did not go as well as he had hoped and he is clearly unwilling to pay the price in casualties that will have to be paid to secure a convincing "victory".  News reports are bearing me out (I've seen reporting that the expanded offensive is delayed, Olmert is worried that Isreal would suffer 200 dead (leaders cannot openly display those worries while fighting an implacable foe) in the expanded offensive, and some members of the government have stated that approving the offensive was just a bargaining ploy).  This war is all about perceptions and the perception is that Israel is weak because it set goals and has steadily backed off those goals. I agree, the Bush administration should give Israel all the cover it needs – regardless of world opinion (world opinion does not matter).  However, Israel must seize the opportunity and it has not.  As I said before,  the fact that Olmert has dithered and delayed tells me that he is looking for a face-saving way to end the fight.  It did not go as well as he had hoped and he is clearly unwilling to pay the price in casualties that will have to be paid to secure a convincing "victory".  News reports are bearing me out (I've seen reporting that the expanded offensive is delayed, Olmert is worried that Isreal would suffer 200 dead (leaders cannot openly display those worries while fighting an implacable foe) in the expanded offensive, and some members of the government have stated that approving the offensive was just a bargaining ploy).  This war is all about perceptions and the perception is that Israel is weak because it set goals and has steadily backed off those goals.

]]> By: saus http://hashmonean.com/2006/08/09/diplomatic-pressure-israel-going-it-alone/#comment-1343 saus Thu, 10 Aug 2006 06:07:26 +0000 http://hashmonean.com/2006/08/09/diplomatic-pressure-israel-going-it-alone/#comment-1343 <p>Hi Brian, I understand what you are saying. For the generation after us when I think of terms of 'only so much cover' or too late I get ancy. This Global Jihad will be with us for a long time, maybe a decade or two or more.. Sometimes hot, sometimes cooler, sometimes exploding as it is right now.</p> <p>We better (together) be ready to put a lot more on the line than 3 weeks of cover for anyone - wherever they may be on this issue so long as they are allied in the fight against it  - or we're toast, wherever we may be.</p> <p>I hope it's clear that I mean this in no way as criticism of you, quite the opposite! Our enemy makes it plain he's ready to go 58+ years in this and more. We're going to need more staying power if we want to win a few battles, never mind the war!</p> <p>That is why I get ill when I hear people talk about cut & run in Iraq. The price is higher than any of your allies would ever want to see by FAR, my heart sinks when I hear of US casualties. Still the course must be stayed imho. Call me crass, but Israel also deserves more than 3.5 weeks and if Olmert is sometimes apparently looking weak, only the more reason for Bush to be even stronger - to carry the load. If this isn't how it goes we're going to lose, whether it is the UK, the USA, Israel, Australia or anywhere else.</p> <p>This is the front line, we need to be ready to hold it because there are much worse challenges ahead that will make this pressure look like a day at the beach.</p> <p>Sorry about the length, and the obvious frustration in my comment folks. Just so sick of seeing Israel be a pariah in the world, it's been 3000 years like this. We will never capitulate to this filth, these Jihadists & radical Islamists, I expect nothing less from allies or our leaders. Bush will have to buck up, he's been great - there's simply no room for slack, and MOST especially not to the French for whom my distaste is only surpassed by the Jihadists themselves.</p> <p><strong>There's breaking news</strong> of an imminent attack on UK airliners, a 'crticial threat' - we have to stop this evil in its tracks - it is all connected.</p> Hi Brian, I understand what you are saying. For the generation after us when I think of terms of 'only so much cover' or too late I get ancy. This Global Jihad will be with us for a long time, maybe a decade or two or more.. Sometimes hot, sometimes cooler, sometimes exploding as it is right now.

We better (together) be ready to put a lot more on the line than 3 weeks of cover for anyone - wherever they may be on this issue so long as they are allied in the fight against it  – or we're toast, wherever we may be.

I hope it's clear that I mean this in no way as criticism of you, quite the opposite! Our enemy makes it plain he's ready to go 58+ years in this and more. We're going to need more staying power if we want to win a few battles, never mind the war!

That is why I get ill when I hear people talk about cut & run in Iraq. The price is higher than any of your allies would ever want to see by FAR, my heart sinks when I hear of US casualties. Still the course must be stayed imho. Call me crass, but Israel also deserves more than 3.5 weeks and if Olmert is sometimes apparently looking weak, only the more reason for Bush to be even stronger - to carry the load. If this isn't how it goes we're going to lose, whether it is the UK, the USA, Israel, Australia or anywhere else.

This is the front line, we need to be ready to hold it because there are much worse challenges ahead that will make this pressure look like a day at the beach.

Sorry about the length, and the obvious frustration in my comment folks. Just so sick of seeing Israel be a pariah in the world, it's been 3000 years like this. We will never capitulate to this filth, these Jihadists & radical Islamists, I expect nothing less from allies or our leaders. Bush will have to buck up, he's been great – there's simply no room for slack, and MOST especially not to the French for whom my distaste is only surpassed by the Jihadists themselves.

There's breaking news of an imminent attack on UK airliners, a 'crticial threat' – we have to stop this evil in its tracks – it is all connected.

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